i have been a veggie since i was 19. not because i think it wrong to eat meat but just because i do not like the taste. ii tried eating bacon about 4 to 5 years ago and was violently sick. too long with out or just a head thing?
dunno if it's true, but they say you react when eating meat after a long abstainence... We raised our daughter veggie, and if at a party she eats a meat thing she gets real bad shits...
Me I like meat. I don't care that much about the issues behind meat. Grow it - eat it Hunt it - eat it...
Couldn't agree less, Inc! But it takes all sorts. Eating fellow mammals is cannibalism - I'd have said in my real radical days! But enjoy your corpse-crunching, mate! I know the kids here do! And I cook it for them, too; because it's my job. Squaring that circle is - ideologically and logically - nigh on impossible, so, these days, I do not try. I know it's a wavey line. In our society it hasto be. I know. I really did try to do the veg thing; but there's horse's hooves in your furniture, bones in your photos. It's everywhere. So now I just don't eat it. That said, when it was just me, it was easier to avoid to a meaningful extent. Now, as a step-dad, I simply think the kids want that stuff, and I don't want Annie having to do the cooking, as that's my role. So I get them salmon, tuna, chicken etc. and red meat. It knocks me sick. But I have a sense of pride in overcoming that, and getting on with things. I, like you CJ, went veg ages ago - in my case at 21, about 23 years ago. I did it for moral reasons, though - as it gets called. To me it was more just wanting out of all that obvious cruelty and sordid killing: knowing-beings being killed, eating their dead flesh. It's just a tacit genocide; really it is! Just cause it's the norm, asit were, doesn't mean it's ok! It's ecologically destructive and wasteful, also. Taking the idea of one mammal eating another, it just feels really really bad, really sick. Similarly, I think all that necessary denial - flesh packaged, sanitised etc. - is psychologically damaging. I know you corpse-crunchers know it's dead meat(!), but there is a sense of removal, denial, at the base of eating the stuff. You get the odd fella who grew up near farmland and says 'I'd kill me own if they'd let me' etc.; but by and large carns like to think meat comes from Asda. A slaughterhouse is tough to take. But it's where the stuff comes from. It's part of the meat's ingredients; just like sweatshops are part of 'your' Nikes. I wouldn't wear those things - just because I try not to sanction such evil. Ditto Nazis like Bernard Matthews et al! Matthews and his ilk should be made to display images of how the meat is made on his effing packaging!
Shan't go into the fox thing... Would happily play devils advocate, but suspect it'd cause more friction than fun.
Clothing is an issue too. I just don't want to pay over the odds to advertise someones product. shoes is shoes is shoes...why pay an extra £50 for a pair with a tick on 'em? Or jeans with 501 on or whatever etc etc not sure i give a damn about sweat shops though...where would they work if it wasn't there? would they work? or starve? Vast unequality in this world, and not much anyone can do about it.
originally i was just the same as murmurist. (i lied). i couldnt bear the thought of eating dead flesh. i wouldn't wear leather and i wouldn't wash with soap made from animals. i truly believe that one day humans won't do any of those things but for now we haven't 'evolved' far enough and we seem reluctant to find alternatives. another side of me though, finds it hard to so steely with aboriginal peoples such as american indians or african tribes men. it isn't wrong for them to kill animals and eat them but the day will dawn when humans no longer eat meat nor wear dead flesh nor wash in its remains. all my family eat meat and it does feel a bit weird preparing it sometimes but i guess i have had longer to get used to it.
ps. as for clothes i buy what i like. be it cheap and cheerful or bloody expensive. as long as i like it (and can afford it) i will buy it. must say it pisses me off overhere with regard to buying 501's. fucking outrageous amounts. i am one of those fuzzy freaks who likes to dress in what i consider a smart style. had i been old enough i would have been a mod. oh the storys i could tell of the days of my youth. make up and long hair and garish clothes!!! god bless brian eno.
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i have been a veggie since i was 19. not because i think it wrong to eat meat but just because i do not like the taste. ii tried eating bacon about 4 to 5 years ago and was violently sick. too long with out or just a head thing?
dunno if it's true, but they say you react when eating meat after a long abstainence...
We raised our daughter veggie, and if at a party she eats a meat thing she gets real bad shits...
Me I like meat.
I don't care that much about the issues behind meat.
Grow it - eat it
Hunt it - eat it...
food is food is food
(Except brussel sprouts)
Couldn't agree less, Inc! But it takes all sorts. Eating fellow mammals is cannibalism - I'd have said in my real radical days! But enjoy your corpse-crunching, mate! I know the kids here do! And I cook it for them, too; because it's my job. Squaring that circle is - ideologically and logically - nigh on impossible, so, these days, I do not try. I know it's a wavey line. In our society it hasto be. I know. I really did try to do the veg thing; but there's horse's hooves in your furniture, bones in your photos. It's everywhere. So now I just don't eat it. That said, when it was just me, it was easier to avoid to a meaningful extent. Now, as a step-dad, I simply think the kids want that stuff, and I don't want Annie having to do the cooking, as that's my role. So I get them salmon, tuna, chicken etc. and red meat. It knocks me sick. But I have a sense of pride in overcoming that, and getting on with things. I, like you CJ, went veg ages ago - in my case at 21, about 23 years ago. I did it for moral reasons, though - as it gets called. To me it was more just wanting out of all that obvious cruelty and sordid killing: knowing-beings being killed, eating their dead flesh. It's just a tacit genocide; really it is! Just cause it's the norm, asit were, doesn't mean it's ok! It's ecologically destructive and wasteful, also. Taking the idea of one mammal eating another, it just feels really really bad, really sick. Similarly, I think all that necessary denial - flesh packaged, sanitised etc. - is psychologically damaging. I know you corpse-crunchers know it's dead meat(!), but there is a sense of removal, denial, at the base of eating the stuff. You get the odd fella who grew up near farmland and says 'I'd kill me own if they'd let me' etc.; but by and large carns like to think meat comes from Asda. A slaughterhouse is tough to take. But it's where the stuff comes from. It's part of the meat's ingredients; just like sweatshops are part of 'your' Nikes. I wouldn't wear those things - just because I try not to sanction such evil. Ditto Nazis like Bernard Matthews et al! Matthews and his ilk should be made to display images of how the meat is made on his effing packaging!
Arc at me.
Sprouts are lovely. Had them for my tea.
I nearly joined the ALF some years ago. Pull a toff from his fucking hunting horse.
Lol
Strong opinion there.
Shan't go into the fox thing...
Would happily play devils advocate, but suspect it'd cause more friction than fun.
Clothing is an issue too.
I just don't want to pay over the odds to advertise someones product.
shoes is shoes is shoes...why pay an extra £50 for a pair with a tick on 'em?
Or jeans with 501 on or whatever
etc etc
not sure i give a damn about sweat shops though...where would they work if it wasn't there? would they work? or starve?
Vast unequality in this world, and not much anyone can do about it.
originally i was just the same as murmurist. (i lied). i couldnt bear the thought of eating dead flesh. i wouldn't wear leather and i wouldn't wash with soap made from animals.
i truly believe that one day humans won't do any of those things but for now we haven't 'evolved' far enough and we seem reluctant to find alternatives.
another side of me though, finds it hard to so steely with aboriginal peoples such as american indians or african tribes men. it isn't wrong for them to kill animals and eat them but the day will dawn when humans no longer eat meat nor wear dead flesh nor wash in its remains.
all my family eat meat and it does feel a bit weird preparing it sometimes but i guess i have had longer to get used to it.
ps.
as for clothes i buy what i like. be it cheap and cheerful or bloody expensive. as long as i like it (and can afford it) i will buy it. must say it pisses me off overhere with regard to buying 501's. fucking outrageous amounts. i am one of those fuzzy freaks who likes to dress in what i consider a smart style. had i been old enough i would have been a mod. oh the storys i could tell of the days of my youth. make up and long hair and garish clothes!!! god bless brian eno.
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